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resolutions and used chemical weapons in the iran war, used them against his own people, thousands died as a result of it. so that was why it was on the agenda from then on and my attitude to it, this is what led to the actions we took with respect to libya, a.q. khan, what we were trying to do then and trying to do still in relation to iran, north korea, and so on. from then on my view was the calculus of risk changes, you can not afford to let this proliferation occur. >> rose: here is what intrigues me about you, too. you seem to say about iran the fear to do nothing if you are a leader gnawed at you. gnawed at you. and therefore the iraqi invasion and therefore the potential of iran having nuclear weapons. the fear of that. >> yeah. i mean... >> rose: you lived more by fear than hope. >> (laughs) no, no, i think i'm basically hopeful. but... and i think the fear of doing the prime minister's questions is a little different. >> rose: i was fearful that i'd become prime minister and now i had to govern. that's how you openly spoke. >> that's for sure and true. i think the fear... howe
resolutions and used chemical weapons in the iran war, used them against his own people, thousands died as a result of it. so that was why it was on the agenda from then on and my attitude to it, this is what led to the actions we took with respect to libya, a.q. khan, what we were trying to do then and trying to do still in relation to iran, north korea, and so on. from then on my view was the calculus of risk changes, you can not afford to let this proliferation occur. >> rose: here is...
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and they would use anybody as a partner. they joined, they embraced al qaeda. >> rose: now tony blair makes this point. he says that if al qaeda had not come in and if iran had not come in it was manageable. >> i don't agree with that. i mean, certainly they were malevolent players, very malevolent players and many of the most spectacular, as the american military called them. i didn't like that phrase, spectacular attacks, spectacular to you and me means fire works at night. but you know what i mean by spectacular attacks. suicide bombings which killed 150, 200 people at a time were al qaeda linked. but the enablers were the saddam fedayeen, the saddam insurgency. they were very closely related to one another. even if, for the sake of argument, there had been no osama bin laden and there can be no al qaeda and there had been a benign government in iran-- and there were none of those-- >> rose: and there was no help with iran. >> they still would have faced a really serious and pro pacted and viers insurgency in iraq. it wou
and they would use anybody as a partner. they joined, they embraced al qaeda. >> rose: now tony blair makes this point. he says that if al qaeda had not come in and if iran had not come in it was manageable. >> i don't agree with that. i mean, certainly they were malevolent players, very malevolent players and many of the most spectacular, as the american military called them. i didn't like that phrase, spectacular attacks, spectacular to you and me means fire works at night. but...
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he's clever enough once again not to use it. but once you start talking about people within islam beginning to speak up, to change it, that's... it's that type of thing. and he has got a point to the extent that he's right. there is a narrative which has grown up within islam of oppression, of the west being responsible for its many ills. and some of that is correct but a lot of it isn't and that's what i think he's trying to deal with. >> rose: he believed that saddam had to be taken down, whether he had weapons of mass destruction or whether he maintained the potential to do it because of plans and... he also believed that if iran has nuclear weapons there's a possibility they'll fall into the hands of people who will use them. not iranians but whoever else. and that therefore you can not allow it. and he's prepared to say that if sanctions and diplomacy and everything else doesn't work then you have to have a military attack. >> again, i think he's coming out of his closet-- if i can put it that way-- more. he's saying things
he's clever enough once again not to use it. but once you start talking about people within islam beginning to speak up, to change it, that's... it's that type of thing. and he has got a point to the extent that he's right. there is a narrative which has grown up within islam of oppression, of the west being responsible for its many ills. and some of that is correct but a lot of it isn't and that's what i think he's trying to deal with. >> rose: he believed that saddam had to be taken...